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Trumpet Artist Profile: Philip Smith

At the ITG Conference 2018 I managed to meet with a number of great people to conduct interviews, none greater than Philip Smith!  Former Principal Trumpet with the New York Philharmonic, Phil shares his approach to both trumpet and cornet, and also speaks candidly about his recent experiences with Focal Dystonia.

How did you come to move from England to the US?

My father was a well-respected and successful Salvation Army cornet player.  In addition, after the war, he was Principal Cornet in the Royal Horse Guards, The Blues.  He had done a solo tour of Canada in the early 50s, and in post-war England, I guess the grass looked pretty green over there for a young family.  So, he moved us over there, and 3 years later we moved down to New York City.  My father worked for the [Salvation] Army and played principal cornet in the New York Staff Band, so I grew up on Long Island.

Was the cornet an obvious choice of instrument for you?

It wasn’t really a choice!  It was like, “This is what you do!”.  As I am sure that you are familiar in England, in the Salvation Army, when you get your second teeth, someone slaps an instrument in your hand and off you go.  It is usually a cornet until they figure out that you don’t have the aptitude, or the instrument doesn’t fit you, and then they start moving you down the band!

The Army is a great movement for maintaining music education isn’t it?  I am lucky where I live in the UK that there is a great youth band setup nearby for my son, but there is next to nothing going on in schools.  You have to know where to seek these opportunities out. Is it a similar situation in the USA?

It has just shifted. In our schools here, music is “dying” in the public education arena, but that is where you have to take up the slack.  Quite honestly that is what the Salvation Army has done in a lot of areas.  They have started teaching music, you are getting kids coming in through that, and hopefully families coming into the church.  Families into the church is the whole point.

At what point did you move from cornet onto the trumpet?

Growing up, all of my music was pretty much playing cornet in the Army and at school.  It wasn’t until 11th grade, when I was encouraged to start to think about my future career, and that music education would be a good fit for me, that I started to play some trumpet as well.  The trumpet that I got in 11th grade, in fact, is the very same B-flat trumpet that I still play today!

So, you are a music store’s worst nightmare then!?

Yes!  I have had it done up many times, including just recently.  It is an “old shoe” and that is what I love.

I then started the audition process, really geared up to look towards music education.  I believe it was Carole Dawn Reinhart – herself a soloist, great educator, and also grew up in the Salvation Army – that spoke to my father and suggested that I should audition for music schools. So I ended up going to Juilliard and that’s how I got started!

And was that totally trumpet from then on?

No, I still played cornet as I had a scholarship through the New York Staff Band.  To encourage students to continue to play in the band they would give small scholarships to help you complete your studies.  Playing with the band while I was at Juilliard was an integral part of my development – I was playing with them every week, and once a month I would be up playing solos with them in concert.  This was a great opportunity that a lot of other kids did not have.

I played trumpet at school, and my teacher’s role as I saw it, was to try to take me from being this sweet, ‘bel canto’, pretty-sounding cornet player, and teach me to be a more masculine-sounding trumpet player, and yet not take away other aspects.  So I was able to learn to play both ways!

How compatible are cornet and trumpet at the highest level?  Would you say that there are big technical differences to creating a great sound on both, or is it more a change in approach?

There is a difference in approach.  There was even a difference in approach between the Salvation Army bands, and the contesting brass bands.  A lot of that had to do with my dad – he had a slower vibrato “golden” tone, and that greatly influenced the tone of cornet playing in the USA.  That was therefore the kind of tone that I aimed for.  I am not saying that it was better than more traditional cornet players, just different.  For other players today, such as Philip Cobb, playing cornet and also playing in the London Symphony Orchestra, it is perhaps harder because they have to swing a little wider.  The difference between what we consider to be traditional cornet and traditional trumpet sound has certainly got wider in terms of concept and approach.

Can it be done?  Yeah, it can.  Should it be done?  Yeah, it should.

I was never more shocked than when I travelled over to London as a young professional, giving masterclasses at some of the colleges, and to see the anti-cornet feeling that I was getting from the trumpet players.

I have always found it strange in the UK that the colleges make students decide at age 18 between a ‘Brass Band’ course on cornet, or a trumpet course, and that the two are completely exclusive. Surely these are related disciplines that can be studied and performed side-by-side?

Yes.  Everything is the same, the overall approach, the technique.  In fact, the beauty of the growth of the British Brass Band movement in the USA at the moment is that we now have orchestral players saying, “Wow, look at this repertoire and the level of technique demanded of it!”.  It can only enhance your trumpet playing.  That was probably a signature of my career in that my sound could be strong and strident and still be “cornetty”.  And so much orchestral repertoire demands those two different styles, just look at those beautiful cornet-style melodies in Mahler, and then “wham” you’re back into the big strong trumpet sounds and “zing”again.

And especially in England where there is a great history of fantastic cornet players becoming great principal trumpets, there should never be that separation.

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Through your career, how important has the idea of a strict ‘practice routine’ been to you?

When I was younger, I never had one.  I just played.  As I havegrown older, fundamentals have become more important out of necessity.  I think the structure of routine can be really beneficial.  You also need to remain flexible for whatever can be thrown at you.  When I was in the Philharmonic, I always had some outside solo event to plan for and spur me on.  Then there was always new orchestral music.  My practice time was generally spent getting that stuff ready, and I did not think too much about the shift in styles, I just played.  That said, orchestral trumpet and solo trumpet shape are two very different things – it is a little bit like being a jazz player and classical player.  Someone like Wynton could play terrific classical trumpet too, but eventuallyeven he had to make a choice.  It can be very hard to maintain two distinctly different ways of playing and practicing over the long-term.

As to fundamentals, I started to discover various different methods and study books.  It is all wonderful stuff, and it is all definitely helpful at different times.  If you are not careful though, you can get sidetracked from the key aspect which is just to PLAY.

Can you talk a little about your recent experience with Focal Dystonia?

Four years ago, I got hit with it, and I basically couldn’t play a note.  I have had to re-teach myself how to play over the last four years, and quite honestly it has been hell.  I wish I could say what triggered it, but I don’t know. I have had people say to me “I can’t believe that you lost your lip” or “I can’t believe you lost your nerve”, and it was neither of those things.  Something happened that took what I knew and wiped it off the map.  I have had to re-teach myself what to do, and in some ways, I have needed to be more ‘fundamentally’ focused, and in other ways I have had to erase everything that I thought I knew as an experienced trumpet person and approach the instrument like I am 7 years old.  That has been difficult!

You just go through the basics – blow air through lips that vibrate and keep everything else out of the way.  And then not obsessing on finding that embouchure “sweet spot,”but to just place the mouthpieceover the natural aperture.  It didn’t feel anything like my proper embouchure, but I had to erase that thought.  The first note that I got was a huge fat middle C, and I felt that I could stick my pinky through the aperture!  But then the next thought was, “How do I get to a D?”. I have had to approach it like a beginner again and build one step at a time.

Having trumpet-playing taken away from me four years ago was like going through a death.  God and I (well me to God) had some strong words!  Seeing the specialist who told me that I was going to have to find myself a new career, and then going and sitting in my car in shock – it was unimaginable to me.

The process has been a case of learning one very small step at a time.  I have had an internal faith to press on, and I have a certain, quiet stubbornness that says “OK, I am going to keep trying”.  Believe me there has been frustration and depression and all of that, but with Practice, Perseverance, Patience and Prayer, those four elements have moved me forwards day-by-day.  I have swung between wanting to throw the whole thing away, and wanting to keep going even stronger.  My goal is to be better today than I was yesterday, without looking back at the player that I was.

How have the past four years influenced your approach to teaching now?

You know, as a man of faith, I believe God provided at just the right time.  Just as my time ended at the Philharmonic, the opportunity arose to teach at the University of Georgia, and I do not think that was a coincidence.  I have been given the opportunity to share all of the experience and knowledge that I have, with kids that I have grown to love.  At the same time I have been able to spend time on my own, out of the limelight, trying to put Humpty together again.

I have loved it with the kids.  Going through Focal Dystonia has definitely impacted the way that I teach.  One of the main things is that it has given me a little more patience.  You will have to ask them what they think though!

What are the priorities for your students to concentrate on?

The first thing is ‘quality of sound’ and ‘beauty of tone’.  Try to get a tone that is rich and full and free.  Obviously, each student comes in with individual issues, but I start with good fundamental technique.  And this very much mirrors what I have had to do myself recently too.  Technique is important but gets you nowhere without a great sound.  Sitting on audition panels behind a screen, there is nothing like that moment when a player’s first note grabs the whole committee, and you see twelve people suddenly wide-eyed, shaken out of their slumber, and wanting to hear more!

I am imagining this to be a tricky question for you, but are there any particular highlights that really stand out from your illustrious performing career?

I have been blessed, I feel like I have lived a fairy tale.  For a Salvation Army kid to go to Juilliard, knowing very little about the world, not being able to transpose, never getting into any orchestras… I wanted to leave Juilliard after my first year because I didn’t feel like I really fit in and didn’t like all of the competitive ‘peacocking’ that was going on.  And from there, to join the Chicago Symphony and then join the New York Philharmonic, see the world, play with great musicians, great conductors… I can’t tell you how blessed I am.

What advice would you give to young aspiring players?

Think a little less of yourself, listen to as much great music as you can and try to copy all of your heroes. In the process of copying, your own personality will blossom out of you.  Sing… sing… sing, with a beautiful sound.  You have found the gift that you enjoy.  Be willing to share it with other people.


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Marc Geujon and the New Schilke ‘Soloiste’

Marc Geujon is Principal Trumpet of the Orchestre de l’Opéra National de Paris.  As well being a Professor at the Conservatoire de Saint Maur des Fossés, he is growing in reputation as a soloist and educator.  September 2018 will also see Marc take up a teaching position at the Conservatoire National Supérieur de Musique de Paris. I was delighted to be able to catch up with him and also to find out about his latest collaboration with Schilke.

 What drew you to the trumpet as a child?

When I was 11, I asked my parents if I could learn music.  After one year of learning theory and reading notes, I asked the music school if I could try trombone.  The music school director answered, “There are no more trombones available, you will learn the trumpet…!”.  I began with a non-professional teacher in my village.  One year later, I passed an audition to enter the regional conservatory.  The trumpet teacher didn’t want to take me in his class, because my sound and level were so terrible, and he told me to learn the tuba.  I refused…  He said, “Ok… stop playing during the summer and we will start at the beginning in September.  Four years later, I graduated from the conservatory and joined Eric Aubier’s class for 1 and a half years.  After, I entered the Paris Conservatoire.

Were there any particular early musical influences, or any musicians now that you particularly admire?

As with a lot of players, my first recordings were of Maurice André.  And the CD which persuaded me to become a trumpeter was “Great French Trumpet Concertos” from Eric Aubier.

It was the reason why I asked to study with Aubier.  He taught me a lot, especially on stage.  When I was around 20, he asked me many times to play some baroque pieces for 2 trumpets or more with him (Vivaldi, Molter…) and also played the second part in Bach Masterpieces with him.  It was an incredible experience for me.

Now, I’m a big fan of Reinhold Friedrich, Matthias Höfs, Pacho Flores… As orchestral players, I love Gábor Tarkövi, Peter Masseurs, Frits Damrow, David Bilger, Michael Sachs…

https://youtu.be/Tvua70Ctjfc

Do you have a set practise routine that works for everything, or do you have to change it drastically depending on what gigs you have in your diary?  Does your practice change drastically from doing an operatic run, or a recital tour for example?

I have a practice routine that works for most of my days.  Basics from Michael Sachs Daily Routine, Plog Program, Stamp, Arban, Clarke…  It depends on the time I have to practice.  I try to think the trumpet to be as natural and easy as possible…  I work every day in that way.  The only thing very important is that I need to practice in the morning, every day.  I drive my kids to school every morning and begin my warm-up at 8:30am.

How does this change when you are travelling?

The problem is to play in the hotel room, with a practice mute.  And also the jet lag… but I try to keep my routine and to do my best despite the hours, places and climate.

When you are teaching, have you found that your emphasis has changed over the years as your own experiences and playing develops and changes?  Are there particular ‘schools of thought’ or strict ‘methods’ that you like to use with your students?

Yes, I have evolved a lot in my playing and teaching year after year.  I try to be a student in my mind every day.  I listen to a lot of music, I practice a lot of new things, I buy a lot of new books… so I try to share all my experiences with my students.

The most important thing I try to teach is “Trumpet playing must be easy”.  I have the chance to see most of world’s best singers on stage every evening.  The better they are, the easier they sing!  It takes a lot of time and practice to play with easiness, but it’s so important and useful…

Marc Geujon

What are the key things that young aspiring players should concentrate on?

Sound, rhythm, music…and practice!

What has the process been like working on new Trumpets and Mouthpieces with Schilke? Can you tell us a little about how that relationship came about and what the design process was like?

Around 12 years ago, I was in a music shop in Paris to try a Schilke P5-4 piccolo for a colleague.  Andrew Naumann, Schilke owner and president, and Phil Baughman, sales manager, were in the upper floors of the shop.  They heard me playing the piccolo and offered me a Bb trumpet t try, a B1 anniversary model. I wasn’t a fan of that model, but I tested also a C trumpet (a C3) and it was so much easier to play compare to my Bach C.  I bought it, and an X3 Bb one month later.

I met Andrew Naumann and his wife Julie several times after that, and I’m lucky to say that we are good friends now.  I have played Schilke for 12 years now (C3, X3, E3L, G1L, P7-4, C5-4, XA-1…).  When Schilke created their HD models, Andrew asked me to test them.  They were good horns, but too stiff for me.  We developed the C3HD, which was a little bit more flexible and brighter.  It was better, but I was not completely satisfied for my playing style.  Andrew and I discussed a completely new project.  A new line which keep the standard qualities of the Schilke trumpets, but with a more orchestral instrument, with a beautiful rich sound, a lot of core, brilliance, and extremely flexible.

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The Schilke Soloiste Bb Trumpet

After 18 months of design and research, the Soloiste series was born. A new C and a new Bb trumpet, completely new…  Not an assembly of existing parts, or small modifications on existing horns…  And I can say that these trumpets are the best trumpets I have ever played.

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The Schilke Soloiste C Trumpet

In February, I was at the Schilke factory to finalize the Bb Soloiste with Andrew, and I asked Chris Jones, the Schilke mouthpiece production manager for a mouthpiece which fits perfectly with my Soloiste new trumpets. He made an incredible mouthpiece for me, and the Schilke Soloiste MG mouthpiece was born…

Most enjoyable project or gig?

I can say that it’s Christmas every day for me.  I’m a lucky guy! I play in a wonderful orchestra, the Opera National de Paris orchestra, with a very nice and talented brass section.  I play chamber music with the Opera brass quintet.  I play regularly with piano or organ for recitals, and more and more with orchestra for solo concerts.

Every time I play, it is a good moment for me.  And I love to meet other musicians from all over the world to play, discuss and share…

Proudest professional moment?

Perhaps ‘Pictures at an Exhibition’ in Vienna Musikverein with the Paris opera orchestra… a wonderful moment with my colleagues.  It was a change from our usual work in the pit.

https://youtu.be/W0-lJVmsDXg

What have you got coming up that you are most looking forward to?

I would love to record CDs now.  It would be a good time in my life to do that… and I would love to travel more to play and teach French trumpet repertoire.

Thanks for your time Marc, is there anything else that you would like to add?

I would just like to thank very much my family for all the love they give me, Andrew and Julie Naumann with all the Schilke team for all their support and kindness, all the musicians I have met who have taught me something extra, and also, thank you, John for asking me these questions! 😉

Please visit Thompson Music to find out more about the new Schilke Soloiste Trumpets on the links below:

Schilke Soloiste Bb Trumpet

Schilke Soloiste C Trumpet

To find out more about Marc Geujon, please visit his website


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